Unworthy Alchemist
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
- Yesterday at 8:13 PM
- #1
Fight starts in generic battle wasteland on DB Earth, 20 meters apart.
No prep or knowledge.
Goku gets feats from the anime and manga up to just before the first World Martial Arts Tournament. Sanzang gets feats from the FGO.
Standard equipment. Sanzang is powered by a grail.
Everyone in character.
Victory via death or KO.
Nodragon
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- Yesterday at 8:21 PM
- #2
Spite threat… Goku wins
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primepower1
- Yesterday at 9:08 PM
- #3
Nodragon said:
But this is Kid Goku.
Nodragon
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- Yesterday at 9:13 PM
- #4
primepower1 said:
And? Are you forgetting that even when he was a kid, master Roshi could already blow up the moon? Made even worst when you remember that kid Goku scale to him and eventually surpassed him anyway by defeating King piccolo who himself is stronger than master roshi
Saver Rider
AE's DB and water is wet, Both facts of life.
- Yesterday at 10:52 PM
- #5
Nodragon said:
And? Are you forgetting that even when he was a kid, master Roshi could already blow up the moon?
Wasn't that a roshi at his very most powerful though?
View: https://youtu.be/zlcQwyB122I?si=kN_vmk5yvPI3I5Y1
Should kid goku really scale to that at that point?
Unworthy Alchemist
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
- Yesterday at 11:07 PM
- #6
Nodragon said:
And? Are you forgetting that even when he was a kid, master Roshi could already blow up the moon? Made even worst when you remember that kid Goku scale to him and eventually surpassed him anyway by defeating King piccolo who himself is stronger than master roshi
I mean...how exactly do you believe Roshi blowing up the moon with a Kamehameha reflects upon Goku? Roshi didn't hit Goku with one of those (nor would he have with the same kind of power), Goku couldn't create a comparable Kamehameha at that point, nor does it imply that Roshi himself could take that kind of blast and survive. And him eventually surpassing Roshi doesn't mean anything since I specified that this is a fight with a version of Goku inferior to Roshi.
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jimmeh
- Today at 1:54 AM
- #7
Unworthy Alchemist said:
I mean...how exactly do you believe Roshi blowing up the moon with a Kamehameha reflects upon Goku? Roshi didn't hit Goku with one of those (nor would he have with the same kind of power), Goku couldn't create a comparable Kamehameha at that point, nor does it imply that Roshi himself could take that kind of blast and survive. And him eventually surpassing Roshi doesn't mean anything since I specified that this is a fight with a version of Goku inferior to Roshi.
Debatable
Goku and Roshi were even during the 21st Budokai and their Kamehamehas cancel each other out when they blasted each other
Jcogginsa
He/Him
- Today at 2:43 AM
- #8
jimmeh said:
Debatable
Goku and Roshi were even during the 21st Budokai and their Kamehamehas cancel each other out when they blasted each other
Goku matched Base Roshi, not the Buff Roshi who blew up the moon
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jimmeh
- Today at 2:47 AM
- #9
Jcogginsa said:
Goku matched Base Roshi, not the Buff Roshi who blew up the moon
That's why I say "debatable"
Tbh it's not like buff Roshi is that much of an improvement, despite what people want to headcanon. Buff Roshi was still weaker than Old Daimao, who's power level was much less than 260 compared to Roshi's 180
High Ground Ninja
Bird? Owl? Tube? Hooty!
- Today at 2:57 AM
- #10
jimmeh said:
Debatable
Goku and Roshi were even during the 21st Budokai and their Kamehamehas cancel each other out when they blasted each other
And those Kamehamehas didn't blow up any moons.
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jimmeh
- Today at 3:00 AM
- #11
High Ground Ninja said:
Welcome to Dragon Ball
Where SSJ3 Goku ends up being the strongest character in the original manga for having the best on-panel feat
At this point, people should know better than to judge DB's power based on collateral
Nodragon
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- Today at 3:02 AM
- #12
jimmeh said:
Welcome to Dragon Ball
Where SSJ3 Goku ends up being the strongest character in the original manga for having the best on-panel feat in the manga
At this point, people should know better than to judge DB's power based on collateral
High Ground Ninja said:
That's just a fictional problem in general, DB series isn't the only thing affect by this, so it doesn't matter in the grand skim of things
Any way back to the debate, as someone said earlier Buff master cannot be THAT MUCH stronger than kid Goku during their first encounter anyway lore wise anyway
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